i have no idea what youre referring to doug
anyways, we got permission to enter as many mines as we could find the land owners to most of the time. usually the land isnt posted so we usually, just went and if asked to leave we would. we have never been asked to leave when land owners found out what we were doing there. also have been stopped by the police numerous times, parking on the side of the road usually putting on mining gear is something i guess they dont see often. well after 9 years we have yet to get fined for anything. usually they think what we do is great. took a police officer from a dept that shall remain nameless into one of the mines we used to go in when he stopped us. thought it was the coolest thing he ever did. never knew the history was right below his feet...... so to speak. but our motto was go now, answer questions later..... for the most part.